Jockey Details

Stan Sheppard

232 Rides 31 Wins (13.4%) 63 Places (27.2%)
Rides - Today & Tomorrow (1)
Time Course Distance Horse Trainer Odds
Tue 14:35 Newcastle 2m4f19y Wannabe (IRE) Tom Lacey 7/2
Recent Runs - Last 12 Months (Showing 100)
Date/Time Course Distance Horse Trainer Position Beaten By Weight SP Comment
28/02/26
14:55 		Kelso 2m Lucky Manifest (IRE) Tom Lacey 10 1.75 11-0 18/1
Never better than midfield(op 20/1 tchd 16/1)
28/02/26
14:15 		Kelso 2m2f Montemares Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-5 6/1
Towards rear - headway from 4 out - joined leader going easily 2 out - led just before last - ridden clear run-in(op 12/1 tchd 11/2)
26/02/26
17:15 		Wetherby 3m Mythe Bridge (GB) Henry Daly 3rd 4.75 12-0 6/4F
Disputed lead - prominent after 1st - disputed lead 11th - led clearly 4 out - headed 3 out - soon weakened gradually(op 13/8 tchd 15/8)
26/02/26
15:35 		Wetherby 2m3½f Roger Rarebit (GB) Tom Lacey 3rd 9 11-13 11/2
Prominent - pressed leaders before 4 out - weakened before last
26/02/26
13:50 		Wetherby 2m Psychologicaldrama Ryan Potter 6 3.5 11-0 22/1
Didn't always jump with fluency - in rear - headway before 3 out - weakened before last(op 28/1)
25/02/26
17:00 		Bangor-on-Dee 2m4½f Bowenspark (IRE) Henry Daly 1st Won 11-5 6/4F
In touch with leaders - led before 2 out - shaken up and ran on approaching last - went clear run-in - comfortably(op 7/4)
24/02/26
14:00 		Catterick 1m7½f Myrighthandman Tom Lacey 2nd 1 11-7 11/2
Led - prominent before 2nd - briefly led again approaching last - kept on final 110yds(op 9/2 tchd 4/1 and tchd 6/1)
22/02/26
17:10 		Hereford 2m Jersey Tex Matt Sheppard 8 16 11-2 14/1
(op 12/1 tchd 16/1)
22/02/26
16:40 		Hereford 2m3f Passing Kate (GB) Matt Sheppard 1st Won 11-9 3/1
In touch with leaders - headway after 8th - pressed leaders after 3 out - led but hit 2 out - ridden when edged left and headed last - led again run-in - kept on well(tchd 11/4)
21/02/26
16:48 		Chepstow 2m3½f Thorgath (FR) Tom Lacey 4 .5 11-13 11/5F
In touch with leaders - hit 5th - smooth headway before 3 out - led going easily 2 out - headed approaching last - kept on run-in - lost third final strides(op 5/2 tchd 85/40)
21/02/26
14:17 		Chepstow 2m3½f My Friend Sean (IRE) Tom Lacey 3rd 3.5 11-12 7/1
Raced in third behind clear leader - lost position but in touch with leaders 10th - went third again last - stayed on(op 8/1 tchd 13/2)
21/02/26
13:40 		Chepstow 2m Stone Cold (IRE) Matt Sheppard 6 5.5 11-7 50/1
In touch with leaders - lost position 2 out - weakened gradually approaching last(tchd 40/1 and tchd 66/1)
20/02/26
17:05 		Warwick 2m Sparkling Water Ralph Beckett 2nd 19 11-2 11/1
Midfield - towards rear after 5f - headway 4f out - chased clear leader over 2f out - no impression(op 17/2 tchd 12/1)
20/02/26
15:05 		Warwick 2m4f Joker De Mai (FR) Clive Boultbee-Brooks 3rd 1 11-7 13/8F
Disputed lead - lost position and prominent 3rd - went second 2 out - soon outpaced - lost position inside final 110yds(op 15/8 tchd 2/1)
18/02/26
16:55 		Southwell 3m½f Bluella Bresil (GB) Jamie Snowden 4 22 11-13 33/1
Soon in touch with leaders - weakened on turn before 2 out - tailed off(op 20/1)
18/02/26
15:25 		Southwell 2m Sea Tempest Tom Lacey 3rd 0.3 10-4 6/1
In rear - headway 5f out - went third 1f out - kept on well towards finish(op 17/2 tchd 9/1)
17/02/26
14:00 		Market Rasen 2m½f Trinity Street Henry Daly 5 3.75 11-2 10/1
Led - headed before 2 out - weakened run-in(op 11/1 tchd 17/2 and tchd 12/1)
14/02/26
16:10 		Ascot 2m7½f Walden (FR) Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-4 14/1
Midfield on inner - smooth headway 3 out - challenging 2 out - pushed along and led approaching last - kept on well and went clear run-in - comfortably(op 16/1)
14/02/26
15:00 		Ascot 3m Nocte Volatus (GB) Tom Lacey 7 0.1 10-11 11/1
In touch with leaders - mistake 2nd - outpaced 3 out - weakened 2 out(op 14/1)
12/02/26
14:50 		Taunton 2m7f Call Me Arthur (IRE) Tom Lacey 99 - 11-12 9/2
Midfield - fell 1st(tchd 11/2)
12/02/26
14:15 		Taunton 2m3f Gower Spirit (GB) Matt Sheppard 4 7 12-0 13/2
Soon prominent - disputing second when mistake 2 out - weakening when not fluent last(op 17/2)
09/02/26
15:00 		Catterick 2m3½f Marlacoo (IRE) Tom Lacey 6 .75 11-9 5/2J
Midfield - hit 4 out - weakened 2 out(op 3/1)
07/02/26
15:55 		Newbury 2m7½f Tune In A Box (IRE) Tom Lacey 3rd 6.5 10-5 14/1
Soon midfield - in touch with leaders when not fluent 13th - went third after 2 out - kept on but no match for first two(op 22/1 tchd 25/1)
05/02/26
14:00 		Huntingdon 2m4f Piper Park (IRE) Tom Lacey 2nd 2 11-2 25/1
In touch with leaders - slightly hampered 6th - prominent 9th - challenging going best 2 out - ridden but no extra final 110yds(op 33/1 tchd 40/1)
02/02/26
14:12 		Southwell 2m Myrighthandman Tom Lacey 3rd 11 11-7 5/1
Midfield - headway before 5th - went third after 2 out - weakened approaching last(op 11/2)
02/02/26
13:02 		Southwell 2m4½f Roger Rarebit (GB) Tom Lacey 2nd 8 11-9 11/4
In touch with leaders - headway before 2 out - went second after last - no extra run-in(op 9/4)
31/01/26
13:43 		Musselburgh 1m7½f Gibbs Island (GB) Tom Lacey 7 0.1 11-5 18/1
Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - headway before 2 out - weakened before last(op 20/1)
29/01/26
16:33 		Wincanton 1m7f Sparkling Water Ralph Beckett 4 3 11-2 10/1
Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - headway and pressed leader 3f out - soon lost ground - weakening when lost two places inside final furlong(op 11/2)
29/01/26
14:33 		Wincanton 1m7f Stone Cold (IRE) Matt Sheppard 14 21 11-6 100/1
Never better than midfield
26/01/26
14:50 		Plumpton 2m4½f Lucky Manifest (IRE) Tom Lacey 3rd 2.5 11-10 7/2
Prominent - bit short of room and bumped 2 out - went third run-in - kept on(op 3/1 tchd 4/1)
26/01/26
13:50 		Plumpton 2m Land Of Punt Tom Lacey 3rd 9 11-5 14/1
Midfield - headway before 2 out - went fourth approaching last - kept on run-in - went third final strides(op 18/1)
24/01/26
16:18 		Uttoxeter 2m4f Thorgath (FR) Tom Lacey 2nd 1 11-6 9/2
Raced wide - pressed leader - not fluent 5th - led after 6th - faced challenge before 3 out - hung left before last - headed and no extra inside final 110yds(op 11/2 tchd 4/1 and tchd 13/2)
24/01/26
15:41 		Uttoxeter 3m2f Hillcrest (IRE) Henry Daly 2nd 2.25 12-2 9/1
Led - mistake 9th - faced challenge before 3 out - headed before last - pecked on landing last - no extra inside final 110yds(op 14/1)
24/01/26
15:06 		Uttoxeter 2m4f Galassian (GB) Mel Rowley 99 - 11-6 18/1
Led but pestered - headed before 2nd - weakened before 3 out - pulled up before last
23/01/26
13:35 		Warwick 2m3f Moorsbrook (GB) Mel Rowley 9 1.5 11-5 250/1
Never better than midfield - tailed off
23/01/26
13:05 		Warwick 2m Majeur Allen Tom Lacey 2nd 6.5 11-0 11/1
Soon in touch with leaders - outpaced when ran green before 2 out - rallied and went second inside final 110yds - kept on but no match for winner(op 22/1)
22/01/26
13:30 		Huntingdon 2m7½f Call Me Arthur (IRE) Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-7 7/2
Raced in second - ridden to lead approaching last - stayed on(tchd 10/3)
21/01/26
15:20 		Catterick 1m7½f Wednesday Addams (GB) Ben Case 99 - 11-2 20/1
In rear - weakening when not fluent 2 out (usual 3 out) - soon clipped heels and unseated(op 22/1 tchd 18/1)
21/01/26
14:20 		Catterick 2m3½f Jack Hoola (GB) Tom Lacey 8 3.25 11-2 7/2
In touch with leaders - not fluent 2 out (usual 3 out) - headway and pressed leaders before last (usual 2 out) - weakened run-in(tchd 4/1)
19/01/26
13:20 		Lingfield 2m Unjeu Royal (FR) Tom Lacey 8 1 11-8 4/1
Midfield - mistake 1st - some headway bypassing 2 out - no impression when bad mistake last (vet reported gelding had bled from the nose)(op 5/1 tchd 10/3)
17/01/26
13:00 		Ascot 3m Montregard (FR) Tom Lacey 2nd 2.25 10-13 8/1
In touch with leaders - headway and went second and pressed winner before 2 out - no extra inside final 110yds(op 10/1)
15/01/26
15:37 		Wincanton 3m2½f Operation Manna (GB) Tom Lacey 99 - 10-13 11/2
Didn't always jump with fluency - in touch with leaders - mistake 6th - reminder after 11th - ridden with one circuit to go - soon detached - pulled up after 14th(tchd 5/1)
15/01/26
12:42 		Wincanton 1m7f Richforadaay I Chanin 9 .5 11-8 33/1
Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - lost position 5th - raced wide but some headway after 3 out - weakened before 2 out - tailed off(op 50/1)
12/01/26
15:30 		Hereford 2m3½f Gower Spirit (GB) Matt Sheppard 2nd 5 11-11 15/2
Led - headed but prominent 4th - headed 2 out - outpaced before last - kept on but no match for winner(op 8/1)
09/01/26
15:35 		Exeter 2m1½f Passing Kate (GB) Matt Sheppard 5 4.75 11-7 5/1
In touch with leaders - pressed leaders 4 out - disputing fourth approaching last - weakened run-in(op 11/2 tchd 6/1)
09/01/26
15:02 		Exeter 2m5½f Olivia Kate (GB) Matt Sheppard 5 1.75 11-8 9/2C
Midfield - raced wide but headway home turn - disputing third when jumped badly left 2 out - weakened run-in(op 5/1 tchd 11/2)
08/01/26
14:30 		Taunton 2m Ballybeen (IRE) Matt Sheppard 99 - 10-11 10/1
In touch with leaders - ridden and dropped to last 8th - struggling when jumped left and pulled up 4 out(tchd 12/1)
03/01/26
15:05 		Sandown 3m Nocte Volatus (GB) Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-9 11/4F
In touch with leaders - not fluent 7th - left in third 12th - left in second 3 out (usual 4 out) - headway to lead last - kept on(tchd 3/1)
01/01/26
12:20 		Catterick 2m3½f Silver Hill (IRE) Jamie Snowden 2nd 0.3 11-12 9/4
In touch with leaders - pushed along after 3 out - went second and challenging 2 out - kept on run-in - just held(tchd 2/1 and tchd 5/2)
31/12/25
14:52 		Warwick 2m Blackijo Dagrostis (FR) Matt Sheppard 5 4.25 10-13 14/1
In rear - awkward jump 1st - brief headway after 2 out - never dangerous(op 10/1 tchd 9/1)
31/12/25
13:52 		Warwick 2m4f Roger Rarebit (GB) Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-13 6/1
Prominent - not fluent 2nd - lost position after 10th - headway before 4 out - joined leader approaching last - ridden to lead run-in - kept on(op 11/1)
31/12/25
13:22 		Warwick 2m3f Wednesday Addams (GB) Ben Case 7 9.5 11-3 33/1
Prominent - lost position before 4th - dropped to rear after 4 out - headway after 3 out - weakened after 2 out(tchd 28/1)
29/12/25
15:35 		Newbury 2m6½f Pounding Poet (IRE) Tom Lacey 3rd 5 11-2 28/1
Towards rear - headway 3 out (usual 4 out) - challenging last - weakened run-in(op 25/1)
29/12/25
15:00 		Newbury 2m4½f Montemares Tom Lacey 4 6.5 11-7 20/1
Took keen hold - in rear but in touch with leaders - headway 3 out - disputing second 2 out - weakened run-in(op 18/1)
28/12/25
14:22 		Leicester 2m4½f Olivia Kate (GB) Matt Sheppard 4 1.75 11-3 10/1
Raced wide and jumped left throughout - midfield - headway before 3rd - raced in second after 4 out - outpaced after 3 out - weakening when lost two places just before last(op 11/1 tchd 14/1)
27/12/25
15:07 		Kempton 3m Montregard (FR) Tom Lacey 99 - 11-1 100/30
In touch with leaders - dropped to rear 7th - mistake 10th - outpaced and detached 12th - pulled up before 4 out (jockey said gelding stopped quickly)(op 3/1)
26/12/25
15:32 		Market Rasen 2m2½f The Long Walk (IRE) Jonjo & A J O'Neill 3rd 2.5 11-12 13/2
Pressed leader early - prominent 2nd - hit 3 out - outpaced approaching last - kept on run-in - not pace to challenge(op 7/1 tchd 6/1)
26/12/25
14:57 		Market Rasen 3m3½f Ivane (FR) James Owen 2nd 2.5 11-6 12/1
Prominent - pressed leader with one circuit to go - led 4 out - went clear before 3 out - pushed along 2 out - reduced lead approaching last - headed and weakened run-in(tchd 11/1 and tchd 16/1)
26/12/25
14:22 		Market Rasen 3m Wannabe (IRE) Tom Lacey 7 17 12-0 7/2
In touch with leaders - pushed along 11th - not fluent 4 out - soon lost position - weakened 3 out(op 4/1 tchd 5/1)
26/12/25
12:40 		Market Rasen 2m½f Sugar Road (GB) Jonjo & A J O'Neill 5 16 11-0 80/1
Towards rear - lost touch after 3 out(op 33/1)
22/12/25
12:20 		Huntingdon 2m Miracles Do Happen (GB) Tom Lacey 6 3.75 11-2 66/1
Held up in rear - headway before 3 out - soon in touch with leaders - weakened run-in (jockey said filly hung right-handed)(tchd 100/1)
21/12/25
13:00 		Lingfield 2m Majeur Allen Tom Lacey 3rd 1.5 11-0 15/8
In touch with leaders - hampered 1st - headway and disputing second 2 out - no extra run-in(tchd 13/8)
20/12/25
15:23 		Hereford 2m Silvereen Henry Daly 7 0.3 10-9 11/1
Led - pressed leader when headed halfway - weakened over 2f out(op 10/1 tchd 14/1)
20/12/25
14:13 		Hereford 3m1f Minniemum (GB) Henry Daly 99 - 11-9 14/1
In touch with leaders - slightly hampered 7th - not fluent 11th - reminders and lost ground after 14th - weakened quickly after 3 out - tailed off when pulled up after 2 out(op 11/1 tchd 16/1)
20/12/25
13:38 		Hereford 2m Famoso (IRE) Matt Sheppard 7 5.5 10-12 100/30J
Held up in rear - headway after 3 out - in touch with leaders 2 out - weakened approaching last(op 7/2 tchd 16/5)
19/12/25
13:28 		Uttoxeter 3m Mythe Bridge (GB) Henry Daly 99 - 12-0 9/2
Jumped left throughout - prominent - reminder after 9th - went second after 14th - challenging when fell 3 out(op 6/1 tchd 13/2)
19/12/25
12:18 		Uttoxeter 2m Titanium Ring Henry Daly 99 - 11-7 7/2
Prominent - led narrowly 3 out - pushed along when fell 2 out(op 10/3)
18/12/25
14:00 		Exeter 3m Operation Manna (GB) Tom Lacey 2nd 5 11-12 7/1
Raced in second - lost position but in touch with leaders after 4th - headway 10th - went third 12th - went second approaching last - stayed on(tchd 15/2)
17/12/25
14:55 		Ludlow 2m4f Kit's Coty (IRE) Emma Lavelle 4 10 11-2 11/2
Midfield but in touch with leaders - ridden after 3 out - 5 lengths fourth when hampered by faller after 2 out - no extra and lost fourth approaching last(op 6/1 tchd 5/1 and tchd 13/2)
17/12/25
14:20 		Ludlow 2m Psychologicaldrama Ryan Potter 6 6 11-0 18/1
Led - joined when stumbled 6th - headed before 3 out - weakened last(op 16/1 tchd 14/1 and tchd 20/1)
17/12/25
13:45 		Ludlow 3m Rapper (GB) Henry Daly 6 .75 11-7 33/1
In rear - hit 13th - reminder before 14th - in touch with leaders when not fluent 2 out - ridden and weakened approaching last(op 22/1)
17/12/25
12:43 		Ludlow 2m Lime Drop (FR) Henry Daly 2nd 1.25 11-11 12/1
Midfield - headway home turn - went third after 3 out - kept on run-in - went second final strides(op 16/1)
17/12/25
12:13 		Ludlow 2m Thorgath (FR) Tom Lacey 12 0.05 11-0 100/1
Midfield - weakened before 2 out(Mkt1: op 125/1)
12/12/25
15:35 		Cheltenham 3m Lucky Manifest (IRE) Tom Lacey 8 2.75 11-0 2/1F
Midfield - headway before 2 out - weakened before last(tchd 9/4)
12/12/25
13:50 		Cheltenham 3m2½f Cruz Control (FR) Tom Lacey 99 - 10-8 22/1
In touch with leaders - mistake and dropped to rear 7th - not fluent 11th - struggling and detached 17th - pulled up after 4 out(tchd 25/1)
11/12/25
14:25 		Warwick 2m5f Marlacoo (IRE) Tom Lacey 3rd 4.25 11-9 11/8F
In touch with leaders - smooth headway after 3 out - went second before 2 out - switched left and not fluent last - lost position run-in - weakened towards finish(op 15/8 tchd 6/5)
11/12/25
13:25 		Warwick 2m My Friend Sean (IRE) Tom Lacey 6 3.5 11-10 28/1
In rear - headway before 3 out - weakened before 2 out(tchd 33/1)
10/12/25
15:05 		Hereford 2m5f Call Me Arthur (IRE) Tom Lacey 4 5 11-9 7/1
In rear - mistake 8th - some headway 10th - no chance from 2 out - went modest fourth before last(op 9/1)
10/12/25
14:35 		Hereford 3m1½f Braganza Bay (GB) Henry Daly 4 2.5 10-12 12/1
Held up in rear - headway 7th - lost position 9th - not fluent 10th - rallied 2 out - 2 1/2 lengths third when jumped right and bumped rival then stumbled last - soon no extra(op 17/2 tchd 8/1)
10/12/25
12:35 		Hereford 2m Lyrical Choice (IRE) Henry Daly 5 15 10-11 22/1
Held up in rear - hung left after 3 out - weakened from 2 out (vet reported filly lost her right-fore shoe)(op 28/1)
07/12/25
15:15 		Kelso 2m Gibbs Island (GB) Tom Lacey 5 5 12-0 6/1
Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - weakening when not fluent last(op 9/2 tchd 13/2)
06/12/25
14:46 		Chepstow 2m3½f Getaway Sam (IRE) Matt Sheppard 99 - 11-2 100/1
Always behind - hampered 1st - tailed off when pulled up before 3 out(op 50/1 tchd 40/1)
06/12/25
12:29 		Chepstow 2m3½f Tune In A Box (IRE) Tom Lacey 5 1.5 12-0 9/2
Held up in last and detached - good headway but raced wide home turn - in touch with leaders after 5 out - weakened after 3 out(op 11/2)
05/12/25
14:33 		Exeter 2m2½f Jack Hoola (GB) Tom Lacey 2nd 6.5 11-6 3/1
Reduced visibility - midfield on outer - headway from 4 out - went second 2 out - kept on but no chance with winner run-in(op 10/3)
04/12/25
13:20 		Market Rasen 2m4½f Montemares Tom Lacey 1st Won 11-7 5/1
Prominent - ridden before 2 out - led narrowly before last - went clear inside final 110yds - comfortably(op 8/1)
03/12/25
14:55 		Ludlow 2m Midnight View (GB) Matt Sheppard 3rd 1.25 11-5 40/1
Led - raced in second before 5th - not fluent 3 out - lost position 2 out - not fluent when left in modest second last - no extra and lost second run-in(op 50/1 tchd 33/1)
03/12/25
12:50 		Ludlow 2m Miracles Do Happen (GB) Tom Lacey 3rd 2.5 11-7 8/1
Taken down early - took keen hold - led - not fluent 2nd - hung right and faced challenges before last - hung right run-in - headed final 110yds - no extra when jockey dropped whip towards finish(tchd 15/2)
02/12/25
14:22 		Southwell 2m Big Wigg (GB) Tom Lacey 99 - 11-4 7/2
Jumped left on occasions - midfield - weakened and pulled up before 2 out (jockey said gelding stopped quickly; vet had nothing to report)(op 5/1 tchd 10/3)
30/11/25
12:55 		Leicester 1m7½f Psychologicaldrama Ryan Potter 3rd 3.25 11-0 22/1
Led - soon clear - reduced lead when not fluent 2 out - headed approaching last - hit last - soon weakened(op 33/1)
29/11/25
15:15 		Newcastle 2m7½f Cruz Control (FR) Tom Lacey 6 .5 11-5 11/2
Midfield - weakened before 4 out(op 9/2 tchd 6/1)
27/11/25
15:22 		Taunton 2m2f Famoso (IRE) Matt Sheppard 5 3.75 11-10 6/1
Always behind(op 9/2)
25/11/25
15:45 		Hereford 2m See The Flame Tom Lacey 12 2 11-2 22/1
Always behind(op 14/1)
25/11/25
13:25 		Hereford 2m Blackijo Dagrostis (FR) Matt Sheppard 99 - 11-3 17/2
Always behind - jumped left throughout - tailed off when pulled up before last (jockey said gelding was never travelling)(op 8/1 tchd 11/2)
25/11/25
12:50 		Hereford 2m Land Of Punt Tom Lacey 5 10 11-0 33/1
Jumped left on occasions - disputed lead - lost position 2 out - soon weakened(op 18/1 tchd 40/1)
24/11/25
13:55 		Kempton 3m½f Jimmy Hurdstrom (IRE) Tom Lacey 5 1.75 12-0 7/2
Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - headway before 2 out - outpaced approaching last(op 3/1 tchd 9/2)
22/11/25
11:45 		Huntingdon 2m Unjeu Royal (FR) Tom Lacey 2nd 6 11-6 5/4F
Midfield - headway 3 out - switched left and went second 2 out - not fluent last - hung left but kept on run-in - no match for winner(op 6/4 tchd 6/5)
21/11/25
15:19 		Chepstow 2m Midnight View (GB) Matt Sheppard 99 - 11-10 40/1
Took keen hold - in rear - awkward jump 1st - lost touch 3 out - pulled up 2 out
21/11/25
14:09 		Chepstow 2m3½f Lundi Noir (FR) Tom Lacey 9 20 11-13 2/1F
Midfield - not fluent 4th - mistake 3 out - soon weakened (trainer's rep could offer no explanation for the poor form shown - other than confirming the jockey's report that gelding was never travelling; vet had nothing to report)(tchd 7/4)
21/11/25
13:34 		Chepstow 2m3½f Petty Cash (IRE) Henry Daly 2nd 3 11-3 5/1
Held up in rear - good headway 5 out - bad mistake 4 out - went second 3 out - no impression run-in(op 15/2)
21/11/25
12:59 		Chepstow 2m Getaway Sam (IRE) Matt Sheppard 11 6 11-0 80/1
In rear - some headway before 3 out - not fluent 3 out - soon weakened(op 50/1 tchd 40/1)